Okay, okay, I've already inspired a few groans and eye-rolls. But I can't help it. Sometimes I argue on the internet. There, I've said it. I'm sorry. It's a weakness.
Anyway, I was having a discussion about whether a certain character was a rip-off of Wolverine from the X-Men. Now do you see why it was an important debate?
Some participants said this rip-off character wasn't a rip-off because it was an archetype. You know, the archetype of the guy who was granted terrific strength and power but the pain of it was so great he can't remember before it happened? (No, you don't know that archetype, because it doesn't exist.) Then a discussion began about archetypes and tropes, including the claim that they were identical. And this is when I became frustrated.
Archetypes are powerful symbols, stand-ins for something larger, and they are universally understood. This isn't the Marvel Universe we're talking about, it's the universe as understood by human beings, including cultures that have never heard of adamantium. In Jungian psychology they are part of a collectively inherited unconsciousness and we'd recognize them whether we read comics or not. Examples of archetypes are the hero, the trickster, the devil. Literary archetypes are things like the outcast, star-crossed lovers, the quest. In part it's their simplicity that allows them to be universal.
Tropes are similar, but not the same. Literary tropes have become what we call common devices used in stories, like a cliche but without the connotation that it's boring or negative. TVTropes.com* has a good definition and a great collection of literary tropes, including Wolverine, who is listed as an example of the Dark and Troubled Past, Heroic Sociopath, Unstoppable Rage, and Those Wacky Nazis. Tropes. Not archetypes. Tropes depend on some familiarity with the culture they come from. For instance, I'm familiar with most of the science fiction tropes, but absolutely ignorant of those from Japanese anime. And regardless of their origin, tropes can become complicated. They can blend together to create bigger, scarier tropes. Look at any article to see all the connections to other tropes, the tropes at different levels, versions of tropes, and so forth.
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| The Mother Goddess is an archetype, the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is a trope, and never shall the two overlap. |
Alas, TVTropes.com does not list "the trope of the guy who is granted terrific strength and power but the pain of it was so great he can't remember before it happened," because it's a conglomeration of a few tropes. So those who argued that this other character follows the same tropes as Wolverine might have a point. But those who argued that both characters are based on an archetype are just plain wrong.
It's fascinating to me that the average person has started to consider these more complicated ideas as archetypes. It's as if it feels like we've seen it all before and so it must be universal. Does this mean storytelling is getting naturally more complicated, or simpler? Or maybe that I should just stop arguing on the internet?
* Do not visit TVTropes.com. You may never leave.








